Post rating 3019 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

Interesting Initiative

New York's homeless will start paying $1250 a month (about 90,000 rubles).

Only if they would get off the streets and find a job. That's the idea. They took 40 young homeless people into the program to begin with.


Each one will get $1250 for two years. How he spends it is up to him. But the recommendation is to try to use the money to get back to a normal life. If you need help with housing, there's money for that.


The authorities of New York want to understand if there is any chance at all to reduce the population of the city's homeless and if so, what it will cost them.

+255 Author avatar toopost3000 20 June 2021

I just don't understand why they need to be homeless in NY, when they can do it in Florida or California, or at least Louisiana. In general, the Finns seem to have had a good experience with a similar program, but they provided them with housing.

Hide Show +207 Author avatar AnttiT 20 June 2021

Finns in principle, the state pays for housing + many bills + 500-600 euros on hand, if there is no work. If salary is low, they give allowance for apartment payments, depending on income. In principle, to live, when I moved here - paid something like 2100 on hand for a family of 3 people, given that most of the bills for us have been paid - enough to live, and had enough for a car, and gasoline, and to go on vacation to run. Modest, but you're not at the bottom.

Hide Show +57 Author avatar toopost3000 20 June 2021

There is a suspicion that this is a little different, at least when I read about this program, speech about the migrants did not seem, ie, should have been specific bums.

Hide Show +17 Author avatar Alzheimer01 20 June 2021

Hmm... You need to get a certificate that you are a bum, drunkard and follower of the Church of the Flying Macaroni Monster, claim political asylum in the states, and then enter into this program.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar AnttiT 20 June 2021

So what difference does it make, migrant or not? The rights are the same. And I've never seen any homeless people here, where would they come from?

Hide Show +4 Author avatar Frozenheal 21 June 2021

A homeless man without a passport, forgot Finnish, help me, give me some euros

Hide Show +14 Author avatar evgen32btr 21 June 2021

Fuck, you're not at the bottom, I can't pay my rent sometimes....

Hide Show +24 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

Yes, I am not unemployed for a long time and I pay for everything by myself, I have my own firm, and my wife also works, and I paid all taxes, what the country has helped me with, plus I created jobs, but it is very cool to understand that the state will not leave you, no matter what happens you will have a decent standard of living

Hide Show 0 Author avatar kremlin.b0t 21 June 2021

"Taxes have long since covered everything the country has helped me with."

It's good if it's like that. But one of them has a few freelancers / bloggers with shadow income and a dozen whose official salary barely makes it to 20 rubles and what's funny, they also believe that they are "taxes have long covered all that the country has helped me".

Hide Show +15 Author avatar GraveDigger12 21 June 2021

I don't see any comments about you being a freeloader who lives off the taxes of the Finns. Oh yes, the skin is white and "Russian". Then it's okay.

Hide Show +18 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

Yes, I was not a freeloader for a long time) work with his wife, have long returned to the state all the taxes, and even more, have their own business, created jobs here, I am not a freeloader at all, but quite the contrary) all the migrants would be such ...

Hide Show +5 Author avatar Erterigan 21 June 2021

Don't you need workers there?

Hide Show +2 Author avatar Lakroft36 20 June 2021

Can you tell me more about how you got there?

Hide Show +13 Author avatar Catolampius 21 June 2021

You have already been told that you are homeless.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

As for the roots - I learned and passed the language exam, rented an apartment, then I submitted documents to the consulate that I have roots, language, and an apartment, and received a residence permit.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar arazu 21 June 2021

Do not forget your roots, remember.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar CalmDaemon 21 June 2021

Is it possible to get a residence permit without relatives abroad?

Hide Show 0 Author avatar schragemuzic 21 June 2021

Do the roots have to be Finns? Mari, Udmurts, Karelians are okay?

Hide Show +2 Author avatar vlad0922 21 June 2021

Nothing good about that, in my opinion.


This policy of Finland, or rather its consequences, is one of the reasons why I want to leave here as soon as my current work contract is finished.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

What's wrong with that? Yes, it is clear that in many respects because of this there are ideologically unemployed... it's so fucking bad. But for normal people this security is bad?

Hide Show +2 Author avatar vlad0922 21 June 2021

Multiplied - because absolutely all social support is paid from taxes, and from you and me, and the progressive scale undercuts motivation for career advancement. Here you spoke that you received 2100 for three persons, and it is the salary of the young scientist (after taxes), but here the same apartment it is necessary to pay independently, instead of the state gives.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar MetaMorf 21 June 2021

How to move?

Hide Show 0 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

Find a job

Hide Show 0 Author avatar denissuperhero 21 June 2021

And where do you live? I live here too, but I pay crazy taxes.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

In Helsinki. I pay crazy taxes, too.)

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Aronon 21 June 2021

Speaking of crazy taxes. Could you tell me more about that?

Hide Show 0 Author avatar denissuperhero 21 June 2021

Oh, normas. I live in Pihlajasto (one of the districts of Helsinki)

Hide Show 0 Author avatar StepanStepanov 21 June 2021

My dream is to move to Suomi! I have already studied a lot of information, but if I understand correctly, without proper education and specialty chance to get there only as a refugee? If it's not too much trouble, could you tell me how did you manage to get there? Thank you

Hide Show +1 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

My friend Stepan Stepanov moved here from Baikal)), and my personal experience will not help you - I moved there because of my roots. But nothing is impossible, many specialties are in demand here, they will take you from Russia without much trouble, the main thing is to be a real specialist. Knowing the language makes the task a lot easier. I would, for example, take a good driver, but only with a fluent language. A friend of mine has a recruiting agency, and he also asks about specialists from Russia. Another friend of mine asked to find a truck mechanic from Russia.

Hide Show -1 Author avatar realnightelf 21 June 2021

Finns don't understand that it's possible to be a barbarian and humiliate everyone around you. And get pleasure out of it.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

Yeah, what fun is that? I don't get it either. It's much safer and more pleasant to live in such a society if the people around you have a good standard of living.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar realnightelf 21 June 2021

It doesn't matter as long as you're a gentleman.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar AnttiT 21 June 2021

I have a rather young Finn who works as a loader, he's a good worker, so he's a respected person. In the evening, we can go out for a beer together, what is the difference that he is a loader and I am the owner of the company? Not at work we are equal.

Hide Show +7 Author avatar defri 20 June 2021

Competition, prices, some people don't live there all the time, they just come for the summer.

Hide Show +22 Author avatar yaragan 21 June 2021

What the fuck? NY is the capital of the world. No more no less. There will ALWAYS be homeless people there! It's a huge city where you can always get money, booze and drugs (although if you're a complete narc, it's better to be homeless in Philadelphia - the drugs are easier and cheaper there). The homeless cannot be removed from NY, they will be kicked out, new ones will come the next day, the flow and rotation is endless. Only strict police control can help, but that is simply not possible in the U.S., because of the courts, human rights and other things.

Hide Show +23 Author avatar SiriX 21 June 2021

My point was that to be homeless in NY with its winters is not the best option compared to California.

Hide Show +12 Author avatar BardMaliwan 21 June 2021

Maybe they're migrant homeless.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar AEvent 21 June 2021

I could be homeless in NY on a remote, how do I get a job? Any contacts at City Hall?

Hide Show +3 Author avatar SiriX 21 June 2021

Yeah, just don't forget there's such a thing as taxes. When they started giving out 600 bucks a week for unemployment in the States from the crown, many people rejoiced, only then it turned out that in addition to automatically deducted taxes you would have to pay the total at the tax filing for the entire amount received.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Slash.Dash 21 June 2021

Someone explained to me that it's easier to get pretty good quality food in NY. Like, the number of bums per spot of decent munchies is several times higher in warm places, the competition is higher. Not everyone is willing to leave the city they're used to, and moving is a travel and goal-setting thing, which is not about all homeless people.

Hide Show +4 Author avatar NRMI 21 June 2021

So far, strict policing is not about the United States. Tell anyone 30 years ago, they wouldn't have believed it.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar polyhaev 21 June 2021

But the crime rate in NY 30 years ago was many times higher.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar vasda 21 June 2021

Not the homeless. It's not like they're breaking anything.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar deathmurder 21 June 2021

Homeless life mattresses o/

Hide Show +17 Author avatar Tinsa 21 June 2021

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Thanks for the generous welfare, and then there's all these social anxiety types who live on those benefits and don't do shit. I know first hand that these problems exist in Finland, Sweden and Norway.


The problems of such homeless people should be solved by finding them a job - "give a hungry person a fishing rod". But the thing is that homeless people don't want to work, they want to do nothing and have something - this is the problem in Russia too, we don't have other homeless people, as there are state programs and organizations to help those who are in such situations.


In same Scandinavia, by the way, artificially create useless workplaces, if only people wouldn't kick a dick on allowance, and something was busy (yes, yes, as in army). Those who were there, surely noticed the 20 cleaners per square meter in the morning and lawn mowers mowing the sidewalk.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar OttoTheOtter 21 June 2021

So they recreated the Soviet Union. You don't like it again?

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Flanki 21 June 2021

Yeah, Augusto Pinochet.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Slash.Dash 21 June 2021

Well, we have security guards in almost every kiosk performing about the same role of formally reducing unemployment.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar vasda 21 June 2021

What does security guards have to do with it, lol. Private businesses keep security guards at every kiosk, and if they do, it's because they have to. And I even know why, they're fucking up the product.


And the grass is cut by municipal workers who are hired by the government.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar TheMad 21 June 2021

Now in the U.S., those who received benefits during the crown are in no hurry to go to work.

NY authorities:

- Great! Let's give $1250 to the homeless!

Hide Show +4 Author avatar Sergius2112 21 June 2021

A Russian skilled worker is worth half the price of a bum "over there". That's all there is to know about Russian Ikanomics and government! )))

Hide Show +2 Author avatar Zeppilin 21 June 2021

Why be homeless in NY when you can do it in Florida or California or at least Louisiana?




The first two states are some of the most expensive states to live in, there's plenty of homeless people there. Louisiana's a disadvantaged state.


And the hobo days of getting on a wagon and riding across the asashay are long gone.


Plus the very logic of being homeless right now doesn't involve active travel.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar SanavaBeech 21 June 2021

Maybe because new york and california are at opposite ends of the continent? there's a fuckload of homeless and cuckoo's in los angeles and hollywood too

Hide Show +3 Author avatar 1TWISTER3 21 June 2021

How do you get a job as a bum in new york? With these subsidies, I'll get off the streets of New York and go back to Russia.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar Sick.MyDuck 21 June 2021

And what the fuck do you need there (NY, RF)?

Hide Show +1 Author avatar WooDoo1 21 June 2021

Tell me for those who do not know--in New York 1250, is it a lot or just to go to the movies a couple of times?

Hide Show +9 Author avatar Dpole1337 21 June 2021

If you don't have to pay for your own place, you'll have enough to eat.


the most expensive thing in ny is real estate, and it's kind of big too.


i declare it homeless season when they do.


But they will be put on the register and forced to check in, which is a pudov, but not many of them can stand it) + go to social services, and so on. I'm sure it's not that simple.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar ivmulder 21 June 2021

Enough for food, full-fledged housing to rent - no. But in the U.S. there are programs to subsidize low-income housing.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar OttoTheOtter 21 June 2021

There are a shitload of night shelters and soup kitchens. And there are all kinds of volunteer and temple housing programs.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar WooDoo1 21 June 2021

Probably something like a communal apartment. And hardly the kind of rooms Arnold's grandfather rented out, I think.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar ivmulder 21 June 2021

It made me wonder about Arnold's grandfather. Thank you nice man) What else would I have googled at 1:00 in the morning.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Exnaton 21 June 2021

For Nizhny Novgorod, dohua.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar pikabytanin567 21 June 2021

So they'll be moving down to the south by winter.

Hide Show -2 Author avatar Norksa 21 June 2021

In fact, they're all homeless in Hawaii. I even heard that the government of California transported the homeless to Hawaii to solve their problem)), and it's warm there all year round, it's easier to survive.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar UnZeroStaff 21 June 2021

Let them be homeless in Florida. Along with the alligators. It's warm and good for nature.

+35 Author avatar TrumBrumTuk 20 June 2021

And where in new york can you get off the streets for 1,250 a month?

Hide Show +60 Author avatar nazarpunk 20 June 2021

Texas, for instance.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Red.Girl 21 June 2021

The cotton fields?

Hide Show +4 Author avatar ssta 20 June 2021

By the way, I wonder how much a hostel costs in New York? I understand that real estate is expensive, but for $ 500 a month you can rent a bed in a hostel?

Hide Show +12 Author avatar EvilGrinch 20 June 2021

In the article it was written that money will be given for housing separately, that is, purely for food, clothing, etc. will look and live like a person and be able to find a job if he wants.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar CrioFox 21 June 2021

On 1250 a month in New York you can get off the streets back to your own city if you save up for two months for a ticket. That's not fucking enough money to live on. You can buy groceries, pay for transportation, pay for your cell phone, but not enough for rent, so you'll be homeless.

Only with housing bonuses can you use that money to get out and be a human being again.

Hide Show +9 Author avatar SiriX 21 June 2021

Didn't you try reading the post carefully? They are offered a place to live, plus startup money, those who want to get off the streets will take that chance, because not all homeless people get high from such a life. Many are just homeless because of various loans, bankruptcies and other things that ended up on the streets, or the state just put a lot of money on real help for these people.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar CrioFox 21 June 2021

You read the post carefully.

So this program does not include help with housing, it's a separate program, if there is one at all.

And there are no such words in the news at all.

Hide Show +4 Author avatar voviliavus 21 June 2021

Such an idea. Housing, yes. Free money, no. Public transportation passes, food stamps, minimum health insurance to start a normal life - yes. Free money is too great a temptation to spend it on drugs, booze and not look for work.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Rain77Day 21 June 2021

Yes, you need to build them a barracks and make facilities for living, plus attract those who need workers to lug something around or stand behind the cash register in the grocery store.



Just giving 90k a month with no shit, I'd be so homeless.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar MinM 21 June 2021

Just a bed-and-breakfast, like a hostel.

+438 Author avatar RikBezMorty 20 June 2021

I'm so fucking homeless, I can't even afford a ticket to New York. I could've made it.

Hide Show +305 Author avatar T00len 20 June 2021

Too bad there's no such thing for students/graduates - here's a thousand bucks for the first time + we'll give you a pass to the colab and lodging, just do your research on any topic you're interested in and get published. And on the streets in this situation there is no time to appear.

Hide Show +76 Author avatar Orlov369 21 June 2021

Well, in our world we support the weakest, not the most promising.

Hide Show +14 Author avatar Quazy 21 June 2021

We need. More. Places. For. Handicapped.


And shut the fuck down two more music schools.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar timbey 21 June 2021

The general principle of humanism. All people's lives are equally important. Some will die on their own, while others won't die if you work for them.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar Diaver 21 June 2021

Students come to the states from all over the world anyway. I have two big posts about the top university, on this subject. If I remember correctly, Brown University has students from 82 countries around the world.

Hide Show +5 Author avatar PersWE 21 June 2021

And they have bullshit scholarships.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Dr.Bro 21 June 2021

I heard a joke in Family Guy. My son got into Brown. What did it take for him to get in? Open the door? Can you explain?

Hide Show -1 Author avatar lbsplum 20 June 2021

What'd he want, a throwback to the socialist system?

Hide Show +8 Author avatar T00len 20 June 2021

Nah, more like "mana world" with positive noocracy/meritocracy) or "noon" The Strugatskys. It is unlikely that "developed socialism" will welcome research on "topics" that will be of little use in the next five years. More likely there will be "grants to optimize the plumes, which are not yet enough for everyone.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar Nekrozoopedofil 21 June 2021

There must be a distribution of topics, otherwise pliums will be optimized quickly and it will take more time to try to combine the pieces of optimization.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar Fightslon 21 June 2021

Kickback is if you get an article for loafing, not money).

Hide Show 0 Author avatar IcroIce 21 June 2021

So what will happen? They will just drink more often, and that will be it.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar naiscriil 21 June 2021

So there are, just not for everyone, but for the smartest, there are plenty of scholarships

Hide Show +17 Author avatar Apex8 20 June 2021

Let's walk like walkers. We won't distinguish ourselves from the bums along the way.

Hide Show +21 Author avatar RikBezMorty 20 June 2021

We have to wait for the Bering Strait to freeze.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar Fleorism 21 June 2021

But the Arctic freezes every year. With the right skills and a dog sled, it's an easy task to get from Eurasia to Alaska. But on the other side are not idiots, too, waiting for you will be the U.S. Border Service (if ours does not catch at the exit)

Hide Show +2 Author avatar lenar000 21 June 2021

Please draw a recommended route.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar Apex8 20 June 2021

Or in the hold of the ship.

Hide Show +8 Author avatar RikBezMorty 20 June 2021
Hide Show 0 Author avatar Nabadangas 21 June 2021

Why wait? If you leave St. Petersburg right now, you'll be on foot by then.


With sleep and meals, of course.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar RikBezMorty 21 June 2021

I'm physically unable to move right now (it's +32 outside). I'm hitting the fan, making plans to go get a soda. Fuck NY with its bums, I'll be homeless.

Hide Show +65 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

Come on - can you imagine how hurt those who on the eve of the start of this program stopped being homeless and went to work for 500 bucks?)

Hide Show +66 Author avatar lovkii 20 June 2021

If he goes for such a salary in new york, he is a bum. the minimum price, judging by samsebeskazal's video, is about $1000, for a fierce squat. my sister has lived there for 8 years, works two jobs, pays $1,400 in rent.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar Roger200 21 June 2021

I used to rent a room in Coney Island, not far from Brighton for 500 a month, apartments were from 1000, for 1500 were really good options.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar ossie 21 June 2021

Not anymore, I'm renting in Brighton for 1650 now).

Hide Show +1 Author avatar pashalek 20 June 2021

the suburbs and an old Japanese bucket

Hide Show +7 Author avatar ForgetName 20 June 2021

Well lazy googling the salary, in fact $ 1250 a month, turns out the minimum in New York (if you count separately housing).

Hide Show +3 Author avatar SV9TOI 21 June 2021

They don't make that kind of money there, we have a $500 average)

Hide Show +15 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 20 June 2021

Trying to get rid of the bums from the streets by giving money away, and they'll end up bringing in new ones from other countries...


And why would you want to do that? In russia with $200 you're middle class, in the u.s. you're just a bum with $1300.

Hide Show +35 Author avatar AngryShrimp 21 June 2021

Wait a minute, in Russia, middle class is $235. $200 is some beggars, don't classify them as our elite middle class!

Hide Show +7 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 21 June 2021

Sorry.

Hide Show +14 Author avatar Rabbok 20 June 2021

$200 is middle class.


Fucking middle class.

Hide Show +19 Author avatar v3Rtex 21 June 2021

About 240, to be exact. The president wouldn't lie.

Hide Show +8 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 21 June 2021

That's our president talking, not me.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar absorber 21 June 2021

Hooray !!!! we're middle class!

Hide Show +2 Author avatar a2nt 21 June 2021

Where will the new ones from other countries come from? Coronavirus, the borders are closed, you do not know on what terms they will be opened, at least to come here you have to show some financial solvency and $200 of the Russian middle class is not enough to fly to the U.S.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 21 June 2021

This was ironic. But about the inability of the middle class to fly to the U.S. is well said.)

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Lobotomist 21 June 2021

They played it well in South Park.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Tyruk 21 June 2021

How do you divide these classes, by what principle?

Bill Gates is rich.

Duma deputies are middle class.

You and I are poor and destitute.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 21 June 2021

Putin, in his interview, has already divided us. If we don't starve to death and get 17 thousand rubles, we are middle class. So it's like this.


And his former security guards and judo coaches, who privatized people's resources and make 2-5 million rubles a DAY (!!!) are high-class professionals who will be immediately taken away by the West as mega-successful leaders. Nauseating.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar KOSKOM 21 June 2021

We need to export the bums to us, keep them middle class prosperity and ok.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Rain77Day 21 June 2021

In the suburbs or in the region they probably have $200 is pretty middle class. In the same way that in Moscow all salaries are multiplied by 2-3 times.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 21 June 2021

How does this apply? I am in the countryside now, and food here is more expensive than in Moscow. Utilities are more expensive than in Moscow. Things and other items in stores + / - as in Moscow. Collective farms have been destroyed and meat/grain/milk is sold in stores at prices like in Moscow. The only difference is the cost of housing.


The only difference is the cost of renting a place to live: in Moscow or in a remote village, $200 is a miserable wage.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Rain77Day 21 June 2021

I'm not saying it's normal, I'm saying that the salary is different between a 5+ million dollar city and a 100k city.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar igiarb 21 June 2021

People didn't accept the program, everyone had to be wiped out...

Hide Show 0 Author avatar hitar 20 June 2021

In 2 years ready to be homeless, for that kind of allowance.

Hide Show -2 Author avatar Rhod 21 June 2021

There are over 50,000 homeless people in the city, it's going to be hard to get among those 40 "lucky" people)

+27 Author avatar Miktlantecuhtli 20 June 2021

I wonder what the rehab rate will be. In general, I doubt it will work without supervision. Most will be wasted.

Hide Show +40 Author avatar 58diman58 20 June 2021

Negative percentage.

There will be more bums - why the hell would they work if they are already paid?

Hide Show -1 Author avatar a2nt 21 June 2021

They pay for two years and after two years homeless people start to feel like human beings and they don't want to go back to the streets.

Hide Show +4 Author avatar labudilabudai 21 June 2021

They are mostly drug addicts and people with alcohol dependency. But I think the experiment will be conducted on a sample of 40 people who are not addicted to drugs.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar Mikensen 21 June 2021

Drug addicts and alcohol addicts are one and the same.)

Hide Show 0 Author avatar MdSel 21 June 2021

It's possible, but it's not certain that they got sick because of addiction. in the states it's easy to get on the street with a job. that's the kind of thing that happens when a couple million people get laid off at the same time.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar IcroIce 21 June 2021

Come on, if you open a free transfer from Russia, half the country would quit their jobs to be homeless there. Not to mention the locals.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar a2nt 21 June 2021

A long, long time ago, long before the Roman Empire, the customs were invented to prevent this shit from happening.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar Miktlantecuhtli 20 June 2021

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Hide Show +4 Author avatar 58diman58 20 June 2021

If you don't remember, the experiment wasn't a year or two long ago, but a little longer.

And a one-person experiment can't give a reliable statistical sample.

Hide Show +7 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

I suppose by their calculations, even a couple of percent success rate would pay for the program. Getting rid of the cumbersome social support structure for the city's homeless is millions of dollars in savings, and 14 grand a year per homeless person is pennies on the budget. Well, and the social experiment, as-somehow - for certain, not one dissertation on it will defend the necessary people =)

Hide Show +3 Author avatar i209 21 June 2021

And the long-term effect: those who come up to normal life will line up in the economy and as a result will take away with taxes (direct and indirect) all the direct costs.


And the synergistic effect: less homeless, cleaner city, broken windows theory, etc., etc.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar metaxaos 21 June 2021

Why the cumbersome social structure? Everything was already invented before we did. We fence off a few hectares of land in an open field, put up guard towers, build barracks, corral the homeless. Voila. Three meals a day, new clothes once every six months, treatment as needed by students-practitioners. Whoever goes nuts from such a life - let them out on the homestead or some sort of waste-sorting factory, which immediately and open.

Hide Show +2 Author avatar ehinodorus 21 June 2021

Build autobahns. It's all been invented before you.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar jjpikabu 21 June 2021

I read that somewhere...

Hide Show +5 Author avatar Bibv 20 June 2021

Homeopathic methods produce homeopathic results.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

That is, they make their creators millions.


that's a great result, I think =)

Hide Show 0 Author avatar odinvolkov 21 June 2021

in japan i think a lot of homeless people make about 800-900 bucks, enough money to rent a room and live somehow, but they prefer boxes....

Hide Show 0 Author avatar radj 21 June 2021

1250*12*2=30k the cost of two years of this experiment for a person.

Right now the minimum in ny is $15 an hour or about 30k a year. In one year taxes for an unmarried person return 6k. That is, over five years, the program as a whole will already be in the black. But the actual taxes are more complicated: local $746, state tax $1,079, federal tax $1,959, and plus another $2,295 to the FSS analog.

If the average person works for 20 years after that, we get that even a 25% return to normal life is beneficial. That's not even taking into account the reduction in spending on social services, the reduction in crime, and the overall benefit to the economy of one more person.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar report4 21 June 2021

None. The economic system breeds homeless people. They die like flies, but new ones are born and the balance in the system is stable. These 40 won't die (although they may from drugs/alcohol), but their place on the street will be taken by new people without housing.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar a2nt 21 June 2021

But in my opinion it will work. The one who gets wasted will quickly run away and be gone, the one who doesn't get wasted will feel like a human being for two years and will not want to go back on the street, both of these things will have a positive effect.

+77 Author avatar Cyrion 20 June 2021

So much crack you can buy!!!

Hide Show +95 Author avatar akaNosfer 20 June 2021

If he's going to get clean, at least he won't have to rob. Also a plus for law-abiding citizens.

Hide Show +28 Author avatar OblicoMorale1 20 June 2021

And in the first group of 40 people, get half of the toughest junkies. And see what will happen faster: 20 hopefuls will settle down and there will be no need to pay them, or 20 junkies will die of overdoses.

Hide Show +21 Author avatar a2nt 21 June 2021

If the junkies die of overdoses, the program can be considered a success.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar ssh008 21 June 2021

That's right, actually.

Hide Show +4 Author avatar DobroMax1 20 June 2021

You should be doing a reality show.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar Tatoua 21 June 2021

And they both win, they either die from overdoses, or they start living normally, and in both cases they disappear from the streets.

Hide Show +16 Author avatar invisibleman1702 20 June 2021

He can buy a gun with that money and he can rob twice as efficiently.

Hide Show +20 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

In New York? A gun? And for that money? You don't know much about local realities.)

Hide Show +1 Author avatar DmitryAR 21 June 2021

What the fuck for? They became homeless so they wouldn't have to do shit. Why would they buy guns and commit complex crimes if they'd already have enough money?


P.S. In Germany the way works and all these bums are not dangerous.

Hide Show +6 Author avatar Cyrion 20 June 2021

Not a fact, dear.

Hide Show +12 Author avatar akaNosfer 20 June 2021

Well clearly not a fucking fact. But the risk of it is reduced.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar Cyrion 20 June 2021

Honestly, but I'm expressing doubts about living on the street and free money...

Hide Show +4 Author avatar G0LEM 20 June 2021

Zbs, the homeless pay tribute.

Hide Show +5 Author avatar DobroMax1 20 June 2021

I'm sorry!

Hide Show 0 Author avatar tokkii 21 June 2021

What about investing for the future? Buy a gun.

Hide Show -1 Author avatar artanin 20 June 2021

And die faster.

Hide Show 0 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

By the way, not so much. The price of cocaine in New York is one of the highest in the world.

Hide Show +9 Author avatar GidroPonaysh 20 June 2021

Mimo. Bums and coke. Pfft. And how do you know the price of coke?

Hide Show +9 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

And about that, Comrade Major, I already told you all about it at the last interrogation.

Hide Show +4 Author avatar DobroMax1 20 June 2021

"And for that I've already served time."

Hide Show 0 Author avatar klepton 20 June 2021

So what's the price?

Hide Show +2 Author avatar NoBirthNoDeath 21 June 2021

They're smoking crack, which is cocaine, only crystallized and mixed with some shit. You can get high with that shit, too.

Hide Show -1 Author avatar GidroPonaysh 21 June 2021

And you can do coke...

+19 Author avatar CTAKAH.KOTOB 20 June 2021

Every other comment is about how the natives of the richest country in the world are jealous of the bums of "rotten America".

Hide Show 0 Author avatar AlexArtHani 21 June 2021

The richest, scrapiest, and most sovereign! 🤨

+4 Author avatar Pavel000001 20 June 2021
+29 Author avatar Equi1ibrium 20 June 2021

We have to have a higher education and at least two jobs to earn like an American bum...

Hide Show +20 Author avatar Lobas 20 June 2021

Our bums through and through have a college degree...

Hide Show +8 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

Especially with a liberal arts degree. By the way, it is a paradox - all over the developed world it is considered that the study of humanities is necessary for a better understanding of how to manage the surrounding humanoids, and its presence is a sign of a certain aristocracy and belonging to the elite, and we consider that in the humanities go those who were not taken to the "normal" specialties and having the humanities - a straight path to the employees of McDacas or on the street.

Hide Show +13 Author avatar Saquatch 20 June 2021

In the West they also joke about humanities, but not including management, lawyers, etc.

We simply do not teach normal humanities anywhere, except for higher education, and engineering is somewhere else.

Hide Show +3 Author avatar a2nt 21 June 2021

historically, we've had more of a focus on the technical sciences.

Hide Show +1 Author avatar vhruk 20 June 2021

Because their education is paid and if you get a degree in 18th century French poetry, you get it just because you're interested in it and you don't care about getting an income. But here getting an education is not about costs, so the well-off can go to a couple of top universities, but most of them are still going somewhere overseas. And the majority just got into college by chance, not planning anything specific after graduation.

Hide Show +5 Author avatar Saquatch 20 June 2021

Where do they have it? Almost all of Europe, education is free, and somewhere even for visitors, and it seems to fit under the "developed world".

Hide Show -1 Author avatar oooslik 20 June 2021

So it's all according to Marx while there is a problem with the basis, not to the superstructure.

Hide Show -3 Author avatar SeeOs 20 June 2021

Here's another paradox, we are full of economists and lawyers with higher education. But for some reason there is no more money in the country, and the law has not changed for the better.

Hide Show +7 Author avatar haalward 20 June 2021

And that's where you're wrong.

who needs it...

more money, and the laws for the better

for those who need it

for the better =).